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How Much HHO Output For Maximised Savings ?

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One of the most frequently asked question by a HHO Cell user !
How much HHO gas do I need to produce to save as much as possible gas?

Another one : Is there an ideal HHO Gas quantity ??

Another great one : Do I need to produce as much gas as possible?

There are still no clear answers to these questions, the HHO does not earn enough money, so …. no industrial and no official agency is interested in this case study, so no scientific data, we are left to ourselves, and after all, the better, because the day a politician will stick his nose in there, it will be as usual : We’ll be f….d ! ( forwarded ? Freaked ? … ? )

But we can still tell you what to do to optimize your HHO gas production and achieve maximum savings, ie, a “nickel chromium” setting can save you up to 50% fuel !

So let’s go :

Well, before we go, here is an indication :

All HHO cell users with little experience, whether in the United States or Europe agree that the ideal gas production per minute is between 1/4 and 1/2 of the cylinders volume of your future HHO car. For example if your engine is 2 liter, it takes 0.5 to 1 liter per minute HHO gas output to get significant savings

My advice :

I sincerely believe that the truth is quite close to 1/2
Ok, so let’s go this time !
Many believe that the more you produce gas the more you realize fuel economy, they often think that electricity needed for electrolysis of water is somehow “free” since in any case, the motor turns… Both assertions are false!

Here’s why:

When the engine is running, and there is a need for electricity, it transmits its energy through a belt to the alternator, which then produces the electricity. This electricity is in fact a measurable rotation brake  of the engine, so it causes excessive fuel consumption to fight against the resistance of the alternator. If for example you’re going downhil, you should re-accelerate earlier at the bottom of the descent to maintain your speed. The electrical energy produced by the alternator cost you fuel.

Now look at the HHO gas side. When we burn it, it returns less energy than the energy expended to create it … More, there are several energy conversions involved, as there is no 100% possible efficiency, energy is lost during each conversion.

The conversions are: mechanical to electrical (generator), electrical to chemical (electrolysis), chemical to mechanical (burning the HHO). Finally, once HHO gas burned, you will not be returned more than 20-25% of the energy used to create it…..
But do not despair immediately, the fuel savings are still achievable with this energy!

HHO benefit is not realized because it substitute to your regular fuel, but because it optimizes the combustion of fuel.
Our exhaust  are filled with unused particles, there is an enormous amount of energy unused, and the HHO gas simply allows us to “recover” a part of this raging waste. And a small part of a huge amount, is very interesting. My banker told me that long ago ! This makes the HHO precious.

Nevertheless there is a limit, an optimum amount of gas which, if you trespass, begin to increase your consomption again. At this moment the energy consumed to produce the HHO is greater than what is restituted when optimizing your air/fuel mix combustion.

Currently the only way to know the volume of gas you need is the method “test – errors” :

At each refueling, gradually increase your gas production.

# 1 With bicarbonate, or whatever electrolyte you use, addition in your HHO Cell tank, giving yourself a 50-60 °C temp limit ( 60 is pretty high ) of the water in your generator after a continuous 15-30 minutes work. When the weather is hot this limit will prevent you from reaching too high a temperature that can damage the generator and/or cause the water suction in your engine.

# 2 Or, if you’ve already reached the temp limit, adding a cell to produce additional gas … .. You just change the configuration of your system, meaning that ie, in the Mason Jar HHO Cell configuration you now have 2 cells connected in serie, using 6 volts each, instead of 1 cell with 12 volts. You should know that electrolysis does need no more  than 2 volts, so in a single cell device, 10 volts are “lost” and only  produce heat & steam. For plates electrodes it’s a bit different, you must refer to your owner manual when connecting 2 cells.
Then If you want to restart at the same gas production level, repeat the above described, knowing still that: a series connection will reduce the overall amperage consistently, you’ll be forced to double or triple the quantity of bicarbonate or other electrolyte you use . Try to remember what you’ve done if you switch back to a single cell or a parallel connection. … Otherwise it could seriously boil  in there!

You should also know that the 3 or more series circuit is not recommended and you’ll notice right away yourself that this is not a good idea, because the amperage decreases so that it finally turns to almost nothing! In a Mason Jar system you even can ad as much as electrolyte you want in a 3 serie circuit, you’ll never bypass a total 5-7 amps for your install ! This is due to wide space between electrodes + reduced ( compared to plates ) electrode surface

Personally I opted for a parallel connection for my 3 set Mason Jar system,  keeping reasonable amperage of each cell (3 to 3.5 amp when cold ) it poses no problem.

That being said, an ammeter is the best way to measure and store the right amount of baking soda, in all  FIGS  cases.

Well, whatever HHO cell you use, at some point you’ll reach your fuel economy peak (without knowing it ) and when you add electrolyte again, your fuel savings will begin to diminish, you know now that the previous dosage was the best one ! Just need to drain your HHO generator and fill again with water/electrolyte ideal mixing or mess up with taking of some mix, replace with water, mesure amps,  and repeat until you’ve reached the desired value.

To help you:

– 3 to 4 flat teaspoons and/or 4 amps for a basic HHO cell (used alone or in parallel) ie,WalkingEagleSolution or GreenTechexpress, represents a not to cross boundary.

– 1 teaspoon of baking soda in a Mason Jar HHO cell type (used alone or in parallel)  generates a consumption of about 1 amps and gas production of 0.1 liter/minute

Add the bicarbonate or a ½ teaspoon after each refueling, always use the same spoon to always add the same amount, or if you get one a digital scale. You can find very affordable scales on amazon

I hope this article will help you optimize your settings. All this may seem a bit complicated, but it’s worth it. Feel free to leave a comment and tell us how all this is running for you !

Whish you nice savings.

Christian, Your Brother in HHO.

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Dial With Your Oxygen Sensor !

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Too bad ! Your car is like brand new and is running on gas ! And you wanna install a HHO Cell under the hood ? You’ll have to drop down on your knees in front of your O2 sensors and pray for it to allow better mileage ! I know it’s sad as sad can be, but don’t cry babe, there is an awsome system that will handle all your car’s sensors, and please, with no settings on your part ! It’s a flash chip that is specially programmed for your véhicle, 4 wires to connect and you’re done…. Isn’t life beautiful ? Now just check if your car is on the data base here.

Volo Flash Chip for HHO Cell Users

Volo Flash Chip for HHO Cell Users

It’s not ? Well you’ll have a little more to do but THERE IS an awsome and free resource about EFIE enhancers and other MAP or MAF sensors on MPG Fuel Savers. This site is giving away informations that any other site would charge for ! And be trustfull, these guys perfectly know what they’re talking about. The following text is general information, just to tell you that if your car is fuel injected and you don’t care about oxygen sensor when installing a HHO Cell, YOU WILL NOT experience fuel savings. Your car may be different from below described, but be sure there is a solution for it !

HHO Cell Digital EFIE

So, here we go, let’s understand why you need to dial with O2 sensor(s) :

Fuel Injected Vehicles Basics Fuel injected vehicles use a computer and sensing devices to sense and maintain the correct air/fuel ratio. One of the key sensing devices is the oxygen sensor. Fuel injected vehicles have one or more oxygen sensors installed in the exhaust stream. The computer extrapolates what the air/fuel ratio is based on the amount of oxygen in the exhaust, as reported by the oxygen sensor. When a fuel saving device is installed, such as a HHO Cell, the petroleum based fuel is burned more completely. One of the results of this is that there is more oxygen (and less unburned hydrocarbons) in the exhaust stream. This is a good thing, and is in fact, what we are trying to achieve. However, the computer will perceive this condition as a “too lean” air/fuel mix. In other words, what is now a desirable condition in the exhaust, will be interpreted as “not enough gas”, and the computer will direct the fuel injectors to increase the amount of gas being pumped into the engine ! The result is that the oxygen sensor and computer prevent efficient combustion from occurring! Too Bad! ( I told you… ) The Solution The oxygen sensor “tells” the computer what the oxygen content is by providing a voltage on it’s signal wire between 0 and 1 volt. 450 millivolts (.45 volts) means that the fuel/air mixture is correct. Higher values means the mix is rich (has too much gas), and lower voltages means the mix is lean. By adding voltage to the sensor’s output, we can compensate for the additional oxygen in the exhaust. The Electronic Fuel Injection Enhancer (EFIE) does exactly this. It adds a floating voltage to the top of whatever the oxygen sensor is putting out. It has an adjustment that allows you to control, to within a few millivolts, the amount of this added voltage. This allows the computer to be unaware of the additional oxygen content of the exhaust, and the electrolyzer can now achieve it’s full potential in fuel savings. Most cars have oxygen sensors both before and after the catalytic converter. The ones downstream from the converter do not need to be treated. Their data is used to determine when the converter has gone bad, but are not used in the air/fuel calculations. EFIEs are only needed for all upstream oxygen sensors. There are many different O2 sensors, so don’t buy a HHO Cell kit including a EFIE Enhancer or a EFIE Enhancer alone before you grab all informations on MPG Fuel Savers, it’s worth your time ! Ciao, ciao. Christian, Your Brother In HHO .

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